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Matthew 5:1-10... Part 2 - Discovering Joy through Adventures, Laughter, and Scripture

Mitchell Heitkamp and Michele Waymire Episode 100

Can you believe the chaos and laughter that ensued during our recent adventures at Poultry Days and our hilarious church league volleyball game? Join us as we share our fun-filled experiences going on rides, enjoying treats, and spending quality time with family and friends. Don't miss Michele's amusing recount of her tumble on the volleyball court that had us all in stitches!

This episode also dives deep into the Beatitudes, spending time on Matthew 5:11-12. Discover how the unique structure and wording of these verses set up Jesus as an authoritative teacher and the intriguing meanings behind the original Greek words. And yes, we simply cannot resist sharing Michele's volleyball mishap again – it's just too good!

Lastly, let's explore the difference between happiness and joy, as we ponder the Greek word "Macarios," the origin of the Beatitudes. Understand why joy is a deeper, more lasting state of being rooted in our relationship with Jesus, unlike fleeting happiness. We hope this episode brings you inspiration, insight, and of course, a few belly laughs along the way.

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Speaker 1:

Hello and welcome to another episode of the Pure Faith podcast, a podcast where we discuss all things Bible. I am your coach.

Speaker 2:

You're my coach. What are we playing? coach?

Speaker 1:

See, I was training without looking at the paper Me and coach, i'm ready to play, that's a good song. Okay, so take two. Anyhow, I'm Michelle. This is Mitchell. Thanks for joining us. Here we go. Let's do a pure faith podcast.

Speaker 2:

Okay.

Speaker 1:

Okay, how you doing.

Speaker 2:

Good, how are you?

Speaker 1:

I'm good, so that's good. Any of you who listened to our podcast last week that was released this week, anyhow, and we talked about culture days. I went. Yeah, we both went and we went on Saturday. We did because it was going to rain on Sunday. And who was the one that was making plans? Wow, I was.

Speaker 2:

I was like you were changing the plans. Super confusing.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, because I was like I sent you a message very early on Friday morning, like 6am, and I'm like, or it could have been earlier than 6am And I was like if we're doing culture days, right, we probably should go on Saturday. There was no response. I'm like it's supposed to rain on Sunday. No response. Like are you getting my messages? It was early.

Speaker 2:

And just so everybody can have peace of mind, the vouchers for the wristbands for the rides. It was good for any day. You just have to turn it in to get the wristband for whatever day you wanted to use it.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it really didn't matter what day we did it, and because I'm such a great aunt and because the boys did not the big boys, aka Mitchell and Don and Dylan, did not want to go on the rides I was going to go on the rides. I got to go on that Ferris wheel thing where they stopped at the very top to let people on and off, and you sat up there, complete anxiety. I had kids who didn't know where we were. So they're moving around, this thing's moving. I'm like okay, everybody just sit. Still, let's all hold on to this pool right here, let's just hold on. And they're like Anshah, are you scared? No, i'm not scared. So I got through it with Sadie Zeke and Ella.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

And they were like Eli wants to go now, Eli, Eli does not sit still.

Speaker 2:

No.

Speaker 1:

And I kept telling him it says keep your hands inside And he kept putting his hands outside. I'm like you are going to fall out of this thing. Would you just sit still? He was trying to unbuckle the seatbelt and we were not moving And because I was nice, he let us go three times around instead of twice. Three times I'm a very good aunt.

Speaker 2:

Even though.

Speaker 1:

I think people thought I was his like grandma, like I'm not old enough to be a grandma. Yeah, you are Not well, but I'm not a grandma.

Speaker 2:

You're old enough to be a grandma.

Speaker 1:

But I'm not a grandma, i am their aunt. But then I'm like I am their great aunt, like I'm great. They get like I'm great, and then they're like you're a great aunt. I'm like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, i'm not. Yes.

Speaker 2:

Yes, you are a great aunt.

Speaker 1:

Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2:

And not in the great old, great great aunt, let's do it So, but we did.

Speaker 1:

We had fun. We ended up getting some lemonade and some popcorn. I saw some of our church family there and they're like we see you, I'm like I'm here, So is Don. So it was good, It wasn't bad.

Speaker 2:

It really wasn't that crowded.

Speaker 1:

It wasn't. I thought that it went really well. I helped with the chicken line. First We did the parade and chicken line and we got it all done in one day And it rained all day on Sunday, so it was better off that we did do it when we did it.

Speaker 2:

I went up there, i went through the drive-through line and got chicken after church. Oh did you, and that was the extent of my culture days on Sunday.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, so another year done. It's done in past now So but it was. I wanted to update everybody that I did go. I did ride rides. even The first time I paid for a ticket to go on that thing She didn't have to did you.

Speaker 1:

Somebody told me I had to have a ticket. So the second time I was just like I was being. That's the reason I was being nice, because I was like you know what these other parents, or whoever they are, are getting on for free. So I'm just going to act like I don't have a ticket And if he tells me I have to have a ticket, i'll go get one. So I started talking to him. I'm like oh, how are you? And he was complaining And I was like, oh, i'm so sorry. And then, instead of him trying to take my ticket, he let me go three times on the first wheels, three times. You guys probably thought I was lost. I saw a gun below. He's like where is she at? I'm like no, i'm still on it, Still up here.

Speaker 2:

I was going to go on it with him, but he didn't have a wristband yet And I didn't have any cash to get a wristband.

Speaker 1:

Oh, it really was kind of a mess, like we were so unorganized.

Speaker 2:

And then Paige had all the cash. I go over to Paige I'm like, hey, I need, I need cash to get Eli wristband.

Speaker 1:

You're always asking her for cash.

Speaker 2:

It's because I don't typically have cash, which is why I don't have ice cream right now, because I don't have cash. Gotcha, gotcha, um, which they need. Alises, you need to get the square thing. Let me try this one.

Speaker 1:

Anyways, um, sorry, it's gonna be a $10 minimum. So he'd be like, okay, okay, we'd all have milkshake, round of milkshakes.

Speaker 2:

So I go over there just to ask her for money and she takes Eli and then she's like going out. I'm like I just want money and I need Eli's. I'm kind of ride, rides Oh so sorry, so she eventually gave me money and Eli back.

Speaker 1:

So yeah, so that happened on Saturday. You want to know what happened on Monday?

Speaker 2:

I happened on Monday. I don't know how it happened Monday.

Speaker 1:

Monday we had church league volleyball. Oh, I was there, guess who got the fight Me, me.

Speaker 2:

Good for you No.

Speaker 1:

No, listen, very good, first of all. First of all, i could have been at nine o'clock and I'm told that we're going to start by eight. Okay, we're going to start by eight.

Speaker 2:

Where'd you go?

Speaker 1:

Oh my gosh, i didn't start this timer, but I'm just going to keep on talking. Anyhow, we played in the Ansonia. Okay, so I drive over there. I waited until about quarter to eight to go over, thinking I won't want you know, i'm not going to watch the little ones, it'll be fine. I pull in and I'm like, has this game even started yet? We're like, oh, we didn't have a ball, So we pretty much just got started and we're waiting for Jenna and Ethan. They were playing in that league And I'm like, all right, i can't believe I watched Mike.

Speaker 1:

Like I could have. I could have bet at nine. Like it's like eight, 30. Yeah, oh, no big deal. I'm like, what do we play to? I'm asking all these questions. There's like so many questions. 9 o'clock rolls around. They're like, okay, we're getting ready to start. I'm like it's 9 o'clock, it is 9 o'clock. I got my burst of energy, i did, i had fun. But then what was it? point number? Oh, for them it was probably point number what? like 28 out of 31,. And we had what? 7? And I thought I'm just going to be a go-getter. Do you hear those chuckles?

Speaker 2:

in the background. Oh, I was a go-getter.

Speaker 1:

I got that ball after I tumbled three times from my feet. My feet are in the air, my legs actually I think my legs went that way. My head went over. Here You're crying. I had a lying judge. I couldn't leave my post, which I couldn't. He's laying on the ground. I could hardly get up. I was going to have to go for a bigger one.

Speaker 1:

She's laughing so hard. The tears are dripping onto my face. She's like what are you doing? I'm like I don't know. I don't know what I'm doing. She's like are you okay? I said did I look better than Matt's? Because they told me Matt was a real go-getter in the first game. I'm like did I outdo him? They're like no, you look terrible. I'm like I don't know how I'm going to finish this. I get in the car and I call Olivia. I'm like Olivia, i just play church league volleyball. She's like why? I'm like exactly, why is the question? That's the question Why are you doing this? I mean, jess was really cheering me on. I got love her. She was like you got the sand shell. No, i didn't have it at all. I said Olivia, i think my legs bleeding. So now I know where Olivia gets it from.

Speaker 1:

Well, somebody did say that her and I resembled each other a little bit. I don't have a level of court, but I have no idea what it looked like What. What I can tell you is my left knee shot. I don't know what I did, but I'm so sore. We had seven points, I think. Didn't she end up?

Speaker 2:

winning No, not the adults.

Speaker 1:

I said they will never ask me again unless they just want pure entertainment. I thought you did really well. Oh, really I do. Did you have your glasses on? Okay, i let the tripping hold, and the thing is that I was totally cheering on Courtney. Oh, did we have fun, courtney, we're pretty good out there.

Speaker 2:

God love Courtney.

Speaker 1:

She's like I'm not breaking the nail and I'm not. What was the other thing? She's a girl girl. She said I'm not breaking the nail and I'm not doing something else. There were two things she wasn't going to do. I think I did it all I don't know.

Speaker 2:

She was there to help. I'll die for the ball?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, she wasn't. Well, i go for the ball too, And I think I told somebody I was going to take their shirt and show it down their throat. And then I'm like, wait a second, this is virtually volleyball. I'm so sorry. I pray for you. Please pray for me. I want to show them the other thing I said. I got the ball. It was a matter of having. He's a relation, it's all right. You could have just taken a jersey and show it down. The other guy went up there to serve and looked for me. I'm like, oh, look up for the weakest link. And they're like, yeah, i'm going to stand over here, close to that. You hit it wherever you want.

Speaker 2:

I would have seen that.

Speaker 1:

Matthew 5 1,. Right, that's what we're talking about today. I'm not going to be here on Sunday for church either, but I have no idea what anyone's going to say, if anything, but just to know the truth, i gave it my all, i truly did. I attacked that ball multiple times And I Nothing. I never played in high school. I never played volleyball, so it was pure entertainment. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:

If I would have known you were going to play, I think I might have came to watch.

Speaker 1:

I'm thinking that when there's an announcement that there's a volleyball game next time, i think half the church might show up just to see if I'm there. It'll be in the backyard of your house, basically because I think most of our games are at Matt Kendra's now. So yeah, so lucky you. Yeah, i didn't tell Don anything, not one thing. How was it? It was good. Do you have a good time? I sure did. I rolled out of bed the next morning. I'm like how am I going to do this? I can't really walk. I need Wow.

Speaker 2:

I was not expecting that to happen.

Speaker 1:

I almost forgot about it because I got to talk about World, your Days. There was something. While you're talking, i'm not listening to you.

Speaker 2:

There was something else You never listen to me. That's the problem.

Speaker 1:

I'm like oh my gosh church. Like volleyball Yeah, It was pure entertainment, as you can tell by the laughter in the room. Yeah, Yeah, Laughing with you Right.

Speaker 2:

You are laughing with me, i have.

Speaker 1:

I'm going to tell you, i kind of wish it would have been on video. I would have liked to have seen it, even though it was probably like terrible, but Kendra leaning over me, laughing, and I'm telling you like the tears are dripping out of her eyes. I was like did it look good? She's like no, no, it did not look good at all. I'm like was it better than magic? No, absolutely It was not. It was better than magic. I'm like all right, let's try this again. Yeah, okay, that was my week. I know Thursday I can't top that.

Speaker 2:

I can't top that.

Speaker 1:

I was in volleyball game tomorrow night. There is.

Speaker 2:

Matt Kendra's. There is. Oh, i'm camping. No, so sorry, i'm sorry, i'm sorry, i'm sorry, i'm sorry, i'm sorry.

Speaker 1:

I'm sorry, i'm sorry, i'm sorry, i'm sorry, i'm sorry, i'm sorry, i'm sorry I won't be there. You should try. You should go see if you can beat me and Matt, like give them pure entertainment. I heard Matt was pretty good He was. I would like to see Matt. I was like I was down. I was given like some kind of numbers behind my and Jenna's. Like you do that when we serve the ball, not when they serve the ball. I just told you I did it all the time. I didn't know what I was supposed to do. I was like no, that's wrong time, wrong time.

Speaker 1:

Okay so this is a Bible study. This is the Bible study. Yes, yeah, i have no idea. I started it way late. What time does that say?

Speaker 2:

What.

Speaker 1:

The clock.

Speaker 2:

Oh see, my watch says 1850. All right, we're good. So this is our 100th episode. By the way, Even better. Yeah, so it's a special entertaining one.

Speaker 1:

If I would have known that we could have talked about what happened in our 100 episodes, oh, what happened in our 100 episodes. I don't know, but I'm sure we could have found some pure entertainment through some of them And some tears. We had some really good ones.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

I didn't think about that. I could put a little collage thing together.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that would have been nice.

Speaker 2:

I mean if we would talk before like hand.

Speaker 1:

We don't talk to each other.

Speaker 2:

We just show up, we do Absolutely just show up. So maybe we'll have a celebration of our 100th episode at like 112.

Speaker 1:

Okay. Because it might take me that long, okay, well, that makes me no difference Next time we don't have something for some reason. No, that's a good idea. Yeah, that's a good idea.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, i want to forget about that, so you know.

Speaker 1:

Okay, i'll try to remind you.

Speaker 2:

Okay.

Speaker 1:

I have no water.

Speaker 2:

You got some of mine.

Speaker 1:

No, I was just laughing and thought I might use a drink of water, but that's okay. Okay, We're on Matthew 5, 1 through 10. And we are on I don't know something versus 11 through 12.

Speaker 2:

Nice So we're gonna do something, since this is our very special 100th episode. What do you? something that we've never done before.

Speaker 1:

Oh, are we gonna get the crowd involved?

Speaker 2:

No, they've got involved. Do they want to be involved?

Speaker 1:

What are we doing? Oh, we prayed for this thing.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that's almost that, so I have to keep moving it. I was gonna show off on me. We're gonna pick up where we left off.

Speaker 1:

That's a great idea. Yeah, that's a great idea.

Speaker 2:

Oh, such a great idea, just kidding, we do that every week, so yeah, so last week we started to be attitudes, and we didn't actually start to be attitudes. We started Matthew 5. We did Matthew 5, 1 and 2, where we talked about how Matthew was setting up.

Speaker 1:

Jesus as a what was it?

Speaker 2:

Matthew was setting up Jesus as a authoritative teacher with a significant pronouncement.

Speaker 1:

So what do you have?

Speaker 2:

for pride and a go for memory. Whoa, we all just heard the story of you falling and fumbling and rolling, trying to play volleyball, anyways. So yeah, so verse 1 and 2, matthew was setting up Jesus as this significant or this authoritative teacher with a significant pronouncement. And then we started doing an overview of the Beatitudes. Yes, well, something I never actually mentioned and it may be something all of you caught, maybe not, but if you would open up your Bible, you would see that verses 11 and 12 are included with the Beatitudes. In the way that your Bible structured.

Speaker 2:

A lot of times you know you have your section title and then you'll have a section and then another section title. And well, when you look at the Beatitudes, it has verses 11 and 12 with, typically with 1 through 10, there are some that have like one separate and then Beatitudes and it has 2 through 12. But if you actually look at verses 11 and 12, and whenever it's going through my I used primarily two different commentaries whenever I'm doing my study, when I was going through my initial commentary, my primary, which I guess I probably should put a link to or reference these, because it would probably be good for people to know who I'm actually getting my information from Hold on. I feel like I had a problem with it. What does it just mean?

Speaker 1:

I don't want to talk about frogs.

Speaker 2:

I forgot your trusted pet past.

Speaker 1:

It was a toilet bite.

Speaker 2:

God rest.

Speaker 1:

God rest Toti. He was 23 years old, It was Okay, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I don't remember where I was going. So, yeah, I don't remember where I was going, Just pick up somewhere else, keep going. So if you look at your Bibles, it has 11 and 12 with the rest of it. Well, if you look at like, we kind of talked about a little bit last week. We talked about the structure, We talked about how, with the Beatitudes, each verse has two parts Yeah, the blessed are.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, the blessed are. At the beginning, the opening statement, and then it has you know somebody, or somebody in a certain situation. You know it's targeting a certain person in its present tense, but not only that, it is third person, third person tense. And then the second part of each verse is a future promise Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, fulfilling for it, fulfillment for whatever that first part was, and that's also the third person, so it's a third person future tense. Well, when we get to verses 11 and 12, and I'll read verses 11 and 12, says Matthew 5, 11 and 12. Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven. For so they persecuted the prophets who were before you. Yeah, my thoughts being weird. So the key thing to know here is yes, it opens the same way Blessed are.

Speaker 1:

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2:

That's the same way all the Beatitudes start. But look at the third word. The third word is you, so automatically it's switching from that third person to second person. So now it's no longer in the same tense And then, as you read it, it just completely goes opposite of well, it just doesn't follow the setup of the actual Beatitudes. So many scholars believe that these technically are not technically Beatitudes. These actually go better with verse 13,. Because if you go to verse 13 and look at the very first word, verse 13, it's you, so it's also in that second person, so it has that same kind of feel, that same tense, the same kind of wording. That's verses 11 and 12. And it's opposite. So there's a change, there's a switch from end of 10 to 11. So I remember what I said about earlier.

Speaker 1:

Oh, I'm so glad you remember.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, let's talk about I need to put a reference to my commentary.

Speaker 2:

So people know where I'm getting my study from, so I'll try to put that on the screen. So I use two primary commentaries. I use my main one, which I will. Actually I have a physical copy that I read my highlight And then I make written notes out of that And then I take those written notes and compare them to my secondary commentary And then I use that to make my final notes And then at that time I will also use any concordance or Bible dictionaries or anything like that. I need to get more information to do the research.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. So in the second commentary that I use, it takes this a step further. So the first one that I use, my primary one, it kind of took 11 to 12 out of it And that's where I really seen like, because at first I'm like reading this, my Bible, i got verses 11 to 12 here. What's what's going on here? So after reading my first commentary, i've seen why it was separated. But then the second one took it even a step further And then you kind of pointed out that. So now we have the Beatitudes being verses three through 10. One or two being the opening statement, not just for the Beatitudes but for the higher next three chapters, this entire sermon on the Mount.

Speaker 2:

This is the. Those are the opening lines for this entire teaching. Well, now we have the Beatitudes, which are verses three through 10. Well, that's eight verses. So you have eight Beatitudes.

Speaker 2:

But then this my secondary commentary pointed out that verse 10 is technically a summary of the first seven. So, and if we actually read verse 10, which let me scroll all the way up here and find it, verse 10 reads blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness's sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. I remember verse three and verse 10 have the same second statement, so it kind of has that book ends. So verse 10, now this is talking about those who are persecuted for righteousness's sake. Now, whenever we eventually get to verse six, where we actually talk about righteousness, when we get there, i want to talk about how there's different types of righteousness, depending on which way you're looking at it.

Speaker 2:

But in this case, for verse 10, this is talking about the righteousness and the fact that we are living in the right way, in accordance to God. So we are living our lives correctly, and one of the ways we live our lives correctly is by living according to these core Christian values, which are the Beatitudes. So now the same verse. Then those who are persecuted for following the Beatitudes, they're the ones that are going to inherit the kingdom of heaven. So now you can kind of see how this could be viewed as a summary kind of statement. It's kind of a summary of the attitude that's kind of covering. All of them say, hey, and if you follow these for seven, then yours is the kingdom of heaven.

Speaker 2:

I'm not saying I necessarily 100% agree with this, but what this second commentary said was that, since verse 10 could be viewed as a summary statement, then that means there's actually seven Beatitudes. What do we know about seven? It's that famous number in the Bible. It means it's complete, perfect. So now there are seven Beatitudes that if you are able to follow, and if you actually follow them every single day, then you would be living in a life where you would have complete and perfect blessing from it. So all those future blessings that are promised you're going to get, they'll be yours, yeah, they'll be yours, and you will have complete and perfect blessing as much as you can here on earth, and then again it would be found in full fruition once you get to heaven. So I kind of liked the idea of it, the fact that you know, just because it's seven.

Speaker 2:

So I mean I can see it, but I'm not saying I necessarily agree with it, but it is information for you to look at. You can do some more of your own research. I did fully agree with the fact that 11 and 12 should be moved down, to start verses 13 the next section.

Speaker 2:

Just because of what we're talking about before, the structure and the tense and everything else, it just fits better in the next section. So that's why I kind of cut it off at verse 10. But whether you want to say verse 10 is a summary statement for the Beatitudes and that there's technically seven, that's up to you Whether you don't. it's still there.

Speaker 2:

So the next thing we're going to cover is this blessed are these opening lines or this opening words for each of the Beatitudes. And this is where I'm going to kind of nerd out a little bit, i know you really enjoy it.

Speaker 1:

I really love when you nerd out.

Speaker 2:

I'm going to ignore you.

Speaker 1:

All your best bet.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, probably. So the word, I didn't do it.

Speaker 1:

I'm all right.

Speaker 2:

So the we all choked up.

Speaker 2:

I got things I could say but I won't Thanks. So the word used here and in Greek that we get blessed from is Macarios, And the thing about Macarios is remember last week talk about macroisms. Well, the macroisms come from this word, macarios. That's where we get that macroism from. And these macroisms are these blessed, are statements, and they are found throughout the New Testament. There are actually throughout most of the Bible, but they're more frequent in the New Testament And a lot of times there's just one of them. It's blessed are the people who do this, for you know whatever. So there'll just be one, maybe two Matthew's collection here, of seven or eight, depending on how you want to view it is the largest collection of all And that's why they're kind of classified as the Beatitudes struggling no-transcript. So the actual definition of Macarios isn't necessarily blessed. It depends on which Bible dictionary you use. Some of them do say blessed, but the primary one that I use does not have blessed as a possible definition. It is happy or to be envied.

Speaker 1:

Oh, interesting.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, That may sound weird, but we're going to break this down and figure out what this actually means. So, going back to these macroisms, they, like I said, they're normally one or two together and they are statements that commend or congratulate someone for being in a good or envious situation. So that's what the bad things are. I mean, you may not think, hey, how is it like good, and why would I be commended for being mournful? But it's all there, So I got a lot here.

Speaker 1:

So you have a lot.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, just on this word. and one more word, i hope, so I got three minutes. We're not going through all this.

Speaker 1:

Oh, it's up to you what you want to do.

Speaker 2:

So there is another word in Greek that means blessed, but this one means blessed by God, and it specifically means blessed by God, and that word is eulogatos. And, like I said, eulogatos means to be blessed by God, not this type of blessing, this happiness that we're talking about in the Beatitudes. So I mean, what does this mean? Does this mean that our Bible translations are wrong? No, no, that's not what it means. And the reason is because, even though the definition of Macarios is happier than the envied, it doesn't mean that feeling of happiness. Normally, when we see happy, we think of our feelings, we think of feeling of happiness, but that's not what Macarios means. It's not the feeling of happiness, it's the state of being happy.

Speaker 2:

And so this reminds me of a question that was once posed to me and I know I've asked our family before and the question is and this comes from a long time ago, Whenever I first started going to Bible study with Paige, this was one of the questions that was posed to us in that Bible study And it really made me think. And the question is is it better to be happy or to have joy? And normally I would give somebody time to actually think and contemplate what that means. So if you're watching this in the video, hit pause, take some time, think about this before you come back and then I'll tell you which one is technically better.

Speaker 2:

But it kind of depends on your view of happy, because now that I understand Macarios better, I kind of have a different view of happy, But going off the traditional belief that happy is the feeling, that feeling of elation that releases the endorphins and all that other stuff, But that kind of happy, Well, if you're using that view of happy, that feeling of happy, that's just the feeling and it's fleeting, It can change.

Speaker 2:

You could be happy I mean just extremely happy one minute, and then something happens. You get a phone call, your boys do something.

Speaker 1:

So you're going from happy to anger. I got one there.

Speaker 2:

It could be anything, though. It could be anger, sadness, it could be frustration, it could be.

Speaker 2:

Yes, because, like you said, it's something like it instantly takes it away from you And also yeah, also your happiness is gone, because that's what the feeling is. Feelings change frequently, But the difference is to have joy is more of a state of being, it's a state of mind, it's a frame of mind, it's the way you live your life and you can find joy by having a deep, connected relationship with Jesus. Once you find that relationship, once you find that peace that comes with being a Christian you've been reading or listening to some books lately and it would be like having that confidence that you know that, hey, you're going to heaven, that you're a loved one to heaven, that just that trust and peace of knowing that, no matter what happens in life, we're going to have eternity with God. And once you have that and you understand that, that brings a peace through your life.

Speaker 1:

Right, and you don't know when that's going to happen.

Speaker 2:

No.

Speaker 1:

I mean, it could be someone who could be a teenager, and it may not be until you're in your 40s.

Speaker 2:

You have no idea. But whenever you develop that relationship and you find that, that is joy, that is that joy of knowing that, no matter what happens in life, it's going to get better, right And you're going to be absolutely amazing once we get to heaven. So that's the difference. Happiness can be taken away just with anything.

Speaker 1:

Right.

Speaker 2:

But joy you will always have as long as you have that relationship with Christ Right. And that's the difference, and that's what Macarios is, that's what that happy is, it's being in that state of being, that state of mind of knowing that, no matter what happens, you have that future promise of God, of eternity. And so you could take all these blessed star statements and replace them with happy And happy. If you understand this, happy is like joyful or joy, so you could also replace it with joyful or those who weren't.

Speaker 1:

Right.

Speaker 2:

I mean, we've had a share of instances where we were mourning as a family, But even through that we still had joy because we knew what with dad, we knew where dad was.

Speaker 1:

And we try to pass that on to other people too because I just I mean, there's people who go through the things that we went through, haven't been through it before, And all I can do is tell them to have faith and to know that there is joy.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, so that's my give up.

Speaker 1:

From complete laughter and tears. I appreciate you guys joining us for another episode of the Pure Faith Podcast. We will see you next time.

Speaker 2:

Are we really done?

Speaker 1:

I mean really.

Speaker 2:

Okay, hey, don't forget to subscribe.

Speaker 1:

Oh, i don't, yeah, okay, thank you.

Speaker 2:

Good night, bye, bye. This is a great way to enter 100th anniversary. We're just failing you.

Speaker 1:

Everybody out, let's go, everybody out, we'll see ya. No, but I no. I appreciate the words that you said because they they hold true, they really do, and you just have to be. You have to be able to understand that you can have that, even though it can be such a sad time in your life where it could be, it could even be a happy time in your life. If you don't have that joy in your heart, then you just you're not complete.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, so. So leave a comment, tell us a story. I won't give you homework for 100th episode.

Speaker 1:

Oh.

Speaker 2:

Tell us a situation where you were either mourning but you still had joy, or something happened in your life that was less than ideal but you still seeing God working in your life, and you could still see and have that joy, even though things in your life were a little stormy.

Speaker 1:

Yes, good way of putting it.

Speaker 2:

So leave a comment. A little little story. If it's longer, email us.

Speaker 1:

Absolutely.

Speaker 2:

Go to.

Speaker 1:

It's purefaithlivingcom and send us a message. It's in my notes.

Speaker 2:

Okay, i'll let you go ahead tonight.

Speaker 1:

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Speaker 2:

Have a blessed day everybody.

Speaker 1:

Thanks everyone.