Pure Faith Podcast

Michele 0:06

Hello and welcome to another episode of the Pure Faith Podcast , a podcast where we discuss all things Bible . I am your host , Michele Waymire , and with me is my brother and co-host , Mitchell Heitkamp . We ask that you like this video , subscribe to our YouTube channel and don't forget to hit the notification icon . Is that still popping up down here ? To be notified when new episodes are released .

Mitchell 0:31

I've got a whole new thing now .

Michele 0:33

Oh , I didn't watch it .

Mitchell 0:34

I have your notice that it's actually kind of cool because it's a whole thing . It's like a , what you would see on my phone , and then it has like a hand that hits a note or the like , and then it goes into notifications and then it hits it .

Michele 0:47

How handy is that .

Mitchell 0:49

Is that a pun ? Was that pun intended ?

Michele 0:53

I'm so funny .

Mitchell 0:56

That was a grandma joke .

Michele 0:58

Oh , whatever , whatever . Oh , you're so funny . I'm gonna make myself laugh . You're so funny , So anything exciting going on .

Mitchell 1:12

Um , I don't think so .

Michele 1:15

Well , when we're recording this , today is Olivia's birthday , so happy birthday to Olivia . It's 22 as of today , which is not the day that you're listening to this or the day that you might be watching it , so , but yeah , so it was her birthday The time you're watching this , it was five days ago . Five days ago . So day for her , and we wish you all a happy 4th of July , because when you see this , it's gonna be right before the 4th of July . Oh yeah , yay .

Mitchell 1:43

Oh , and we never said happy father day either . That kind of went by So yeah , so sorry . Happy father day . I'll be careful about fathers .

Michele 1:50

So it's fine . I mean , I think we do It . Just , I mean , believe me , it's all about you , dads . Did you not get what you wanted for father's day way early .

Mitchell 2:05

Well , i was gonna get that , no matter what . You're talking about a Blackstone .

Michele 2:11

Yeah , your Blackstone . So , yeah , Yeah , you got that . I wanted to see what my message said , because we I've been praying for somebody and I just wanted to see what the message said .

Mitchell 2:23

Yeah , kind of briefly look at it too . Yeah , not good news .

Michele 2:32

We will just continue to , in the back of our minds also to keep families lifted up during a hard time . So , yeah , that's what we do We pray , We pray a lot . We do We pray for .

Mitchell 2:48

That's the only answer .

Michele 2:49

It is . It is Well , prayers and tears . I tried to wipe my tears before I came here today . and then , you know , you get messages and I never should have read it , but we'll see what happens . So the Lord works in mysterious ways and you don't know what's gonna happen . You just sent me well , me and Matt . Hi , matt , i got a couple of books and one of them is called 90 Minutes . and was it called 9 Minutes in Heaven ? So I mean , you just don't know what's gonna happen . So you know you always had to be faithful and you always have to pray and you know God's will be done . So we have to look at it .

Mitchell 3:29

Yeah , that's actually a really good book . I actually seen the movie first .

Michele 3:34

Did you . I haven't seen the movie , i've not read the book . Like I said , it's just a couple that you've recommended to us . It's like , hey , listen to this book , it's free . Yeah , no , it's not , it's free for you .

Mitchell 3:46

Oh , it's free for me , oh yeah . You don't have the extra subscription .

Michele 3:53

I do , but when I go on there it's not free for me .

Mitchell 3:56

Really .

Michele 3:57

Yeah . So I don't know . I don't know what the difference is . I guess it's probably because it's not like books that I've been reading , like I don't know how it works , but if it's maybe like types of books that you've been reading , they'll throw free books at you , so you continue to stay in .

Mitchell 4:14

Oh , this was just in the Audible's catalog . Oh , like their free catalog .

Michele 4:21

Hmm , we'll see .

Mitchell 4:24

Anyhow , Just under the religion and spirituality section . Hmm , but you have to be careful , because some of the religion and spirituality is off the wall . It's not stuff you want to read , just so you know , Just so .

Michele 4:37

I know It is a book that you know . I don't know if Matt's listening to them yet . We have not done a book review in a while , So , and I really do enjoy when all of us listen to a book and review it . So , yeah , maybe this can be one of them . I don't , like I said , I've not talked to Matt about it , so I don't know what he's doing . I guess he'll let us know , So yeah , So what are we doing tonight ?

Mitchell 5:07

I think we might just go ahead and pick up where we left off again .

Michele 5:09

Oh really .

Mitchell 5:11

It seemed to work pretty good last time .

Michele 5:12

It did .

Mitchell 5:13

Yeah .

Michele 5:14

I mean , do what you want .

Mitchell 5:15

Especially since you cut me off in the middle of what I was doing .

Michele 5:20

Okay . So listen , You have a tendency of going off into your own la-la land .

Mitchell 5:30

Yeah So .

Michele 5:31

Sometimes I keep you roped in So you're giving the message at church in a couple of weeks is what I hear . Oh , i am .

Mitchell 5:39

I mean like three is a three .

Michele 5:43

You get married in three weeks , 16 days , 16 days .

Mitchell 5:46

It's married . I better start again , ready .

Michele 5:49

Anyhow , she sent the worship team a message , you know , because she , of course , is not a procrastinator like some of us I procrastinate , i am the queen procrastinator And she was like Hey , you know if you can get your music , so I can get it in there . We're like , oh , feed us in . I saw Mitchell is giving the message on July 9th And I was like , oh , boys , i'm going to have to be there because someone's going to have to keep them roped in , because I actually have a pretty good idea of what I want to talk about .

Mitchell 6:18

I just got my notes together .

Michele 6:20

This is the problem . You put notes together , but that means nothing , wow .

Mitchell 6:26

I have to put my thoughts together .

Michele 6:28

Yeah , so if anybody wants to join us on July 9th at Living Waters Church , starting at 1030 .

Mitchell 6:36

Yep .

Michele 6:37

You can hear Mitchell give the message that day .

Mitchell 6:39

It'll be interesting .

Michele 6:40

I have a feeling it will be And I might just give worship . I don't even know , i don't know if that's my day or not , but you can hear me sing . You give the message .

Mitchell 6:49

We want them to come . We want them to come , we think that they would really enjoy it .

Michele 6:54

No , that's only if Olivia was singing for Jenna . I don't ever heard Jenna sing . I don't know , i don't know . She might be pretty good , i don't know , but we'll see .

Mitchell 7:12

It's better than me singing .

Michele 7:14

Yeah , i can hear you singing . It takes all out of me to be like time out . Mitchell , can you just tone it down a little bit . Take it back a little bit .

Mitchell 7:24

Make a joyful noise . I make joyful noises .

Michele 7:30

Oh , it's noise , It's noise .

Mitchell 7:33

And it's joyful .

Michele 7:34

It's not in your heart , it is , oh my goodness . Okay , sorry , totally off track . See , i said that you get off track and then I totally went off track . It's your fault . So sorry , charlie , i said it's your voice all the time . Don't call me Charlie .

Mitchell 7:55

Okay , we ready . Yeah , are we sure ?

Michele 7:58

Sure Okay , let me on .

Mitchell 8:01

Okay , yeah , i'm that boring .

Michele 8:02

I'm not sure , i'm not sure .

Mitchell 8:03

Yeah , i'm that boring . I haven't even started yet , so why do you start off by giving you some props ? Because I think this episode is our 30th YouTube video that will be releasing , and I think that might have been the first time that you actually cried on YouTube video was last week , even though you cut us off before anything else .

Michele 8:33

Wow , yes .

Mitchell 8:36

Although I don't know if you did whenever we did our one year interview .

Michele 8:42

I don't think I did . I think it's been a while since I've cried .

Mitchell 8:45

Yeah .

Michele 8:46

I don't want people to actually see me cry . I'm an ugly crier , so I don't want anybody to see me cry . So I try to hold it in , but it's gotten pretty bad . You know that . So , yeah , props to me . You got to say it too .

Mitchell 9:09

My tongue , but because you started crying last week , you kind of cut me off .

Michele 9:25

Oh , I did .

Mitchell 9:26

I've never actually finished my thought .

Michele 9:28

Wait , are you going to start it all ?

Mitchell 9:30

Okay , i'm good . I just need to do a little bit of a recap so I can finish that thought .

Michele 9:37

Yes .

Mitchell 9:37

So we can move on .

Michele 9:38

Okay .

Happiness and Joy in Beatitudes

Mitchell 9:40

So at the end of our episode we're talking about the difference between happiness and being joyful . Yes , we're . Happiness was a feeling that was fleeting . It changes , but feelings can just change in an instant when something happens . But to be joyful was a state of being , it was a frame of mind . It is something that comes whenever you develop that close personal relationship with Jesus .

Mitchell 10:12

It could be a fasting , yes , and so it comes with knowing that , no matter what happens in life , no matter what comes your way , whether it be good , bad , whatever you have that knowing in your heart , that's , at the end of the day , when your time comes , you're going to heaven . You're going to have that eternity with God . So that's where that peace of mind comes from . And then we also started talking about the fact that . But we're also talking about Macarios . That's how that all even began . So we're talking about Macarios from Macarios . The actual definition of Macarios was happy or to be envied .

Mitchell 11:03

And during or in these Beatitudes it is translated as blessed , and so we're talking about how Macarios means happy , but it's not that state of feeling , it wasn't that euphoric . This happy literally means the same thing as what we in our modern day society look at joy . It's that same thing , it's that state of being , it's that state of mind that you get with having that deep personal relationship with the Lord . But today we see happy and we think of the feeling , and joy is the actual , more closely correlated to what this happy actually means . And so we're talking about how you could even , instead of saying blessed are , you could say joyful are or happy are if you understand the correct meanings , but this doesn't work everywhere .

Mitchell 12:08

You see blessed in the Bible , because remember last week or in the last episode , it talks about how there are actually two different Greek words that are translated as blessed in the Bible . There was Macarios , which you're talking about , and then there was Eulogatos , which is means actually blessed by God . It's a crazy word , yeah , it is weird , but it's got like weird symbols and stuff , stuff like .

Michele 12:41

Yeah , and blessed by God .

Mitchell 12:42

Yeah , that one actually means blessed by God , where Macarios means happy or to be envied . So even though it's translated as blessed , it actually means happy or to be envied . Okay , but blessed is a good definition And we'll get into that . And I mean , and you can use blessed Blessed is obviously fine because that's what they actually use to translate it . And that goes back to the whole concept of why these are even called the Beatitudes , and I didn't actually write this down , but it had something to do with the fact that a Beatitude is a blessing type thing . I don't know . Look up what Beatitude means . I didn't write it down .

Michele 13:34

I didn't write it down .

Mitchell 13:39

You make fun of me .

Michele 13:42

You make it so easy .

Mitchell 13:45

I got no comment . So , yeah , the only place this actual what's what ? I'm looking for ? this to replace these words . It only works when Macarius is used , not when Ulugeetas is used , and you're only going to know that if you look at the concordance . Okay , so anyways , hi Raph , so I'm talking about this , and that brings up the question that you may be having is why can't we use blessed ? And , like I said , we can . It's just a problem with blessed and the way that we use it in today's society is it has a stronger biblical or theological tone to it ?

Michele 14:34

Yeah , I think so too , And like when someone says blessed you , you know .

Mitchell 14:39

It's almost off putting a little bit , because it's almost like I don't know , it's almost too religious or spiritual and it's just maybe not something that you really want to get too close to for some people . But then also , when we talk about blessed , a lot of times the way we look at blessed is in a positive light . When you look at your life , like you know , my wife , my children , my house , car , whatever , all these good things that were given to me as gifts from God blessings , which that's true . But as we get into these , these Beatitudes , we see that it's not just the good things that are the blessings . We have to also look at the fact of loss of life , of of even just sickness , struggles , pains , whatever comes in our lives , whether it's good or bad , can still be viewed as blessings . It's , it all depends on It's hard It is .

Michele 15:50

It can be very hard to think of as a blessing .

Mitchell 15:53

Yeah , and a lot of people don't view it as blessing . But I mean , i could say a lot of things that would probably make you cry .

Michele 16:03

Yeah , i know right .

Mitchell 16:04

I'm trying to tread lightly here .

Michele 16:07

I think I'm pretty good .

Mitchell 16:11

But yeah , i mean somebody going through struggles , whether it be with cancer sickness , even though they may be going through hard times or whatever , and normally for that kind of stuff it's harder on the family than it is the actual person .

Michele 16:27

I think so too .

Mitchell 16:29

A lot of times the person going through it , they realize what's going on and they accept what's going on . But they're going to the better place Right . We're left here having to deal with the aftermath of the leaving Yeah .

Michele 16:45

The burden of it all , Yeah .

Mitchell 16:48

So yeah , they got it way better .

Michele 16:50

Yeah , you're exactly right And that it can be very true And something like sickness , like cancer , can hit that person very hard to hear it , but after it sets in like it's a mindset . Being blessed is a mindset , like if you can know that having a sickness , losing someone , being in debt , being out of work can actually be a blessing in disguise . Something great can come out of all of it . So it's really a state of mind as well .

Mitchell 17:21

Yes , i agree . So , yes , using blessed in these bad attitudes is a good way or is a good word to use . But if you don't fully understand the meaning of blessing , then there's some other words that we can can implant in there to help give us a better understanding of what Macarios actually means , and we've already discussed happy . Happy is the proper definition of Macarios , but if you're looking at it from that feeling aspect of it , this doesn't work .

Mitchell 18:00

If you understand the true meaning of what they mean by happy , that state of being , which would be like being joy or having joy , then , yes , happy does work , but only if you understand the meaning that they're trying to get across . The other possible definition of Macarios was to be envied , and that would work . I mean , let's look at the first one that we're going to be covering is blessed or the poor in spirit . You could say envied or poor in spirit , but the problem with envied is that typically has a negative or even sinful vibe to it .

Michele 18:39

Yes , I'm going to agree with you .

Mitchell 18:42

Envy is one of the seven deadly sins , am I correct ? I don't think an envy was one .

Michele 18:49

I don't know if envy actually is one .

Mitchell 18:51

I don't know , it could be wrong . I don't know .

Michele 18:54

But it can go along with a lot of them that are out there . But for me one of the things that I guess it shouldn't be like an envy , but if you envy a lifestyle , then that's not a positive thing .

Michele 19:09

It's not a positive thing . You know that person might have a lifestyle , but it's not all about that . It's not all about the outside . You have no idea what's going on on the inside or anything . So you shouldn't envy people because you don't know what's going on in their lives . I mean envy , i put as a I don't want to say as a harsh word , but it's one that I just don't like It has a negative vibe to it .

Mitchell 19:37

So , yes , that's why we typically won't use envy . We could use fortunate .

Michele 19:44

Yes .

Mitchell 19:45

So fortunate are .

Michele 19:48

Well , I don't know .

Mitchell 19:50

I mean the fortunate does work , I mean it is a good work or a good word to use . But then when we use the word fortunate , that typically makes you think about luck , And this isn't about luck . So that's why that one typically falls short . It's another one .

Michele 20:11

I have no idea .

Mitchell 20:13

You can completely take out blessed R and replace it with congratulations too . So congratulations to the porn spirit . Congratulations to those who mourn , but now we're almost getting to commonplace , do ?

Michele 20:29

happy Congratulations .

Mitchell 20:34

Yeah , and it works . I mean , it gives that right feeling . But yeah , like you're saying , it's too .

Michele 20:46

It's flashy .

Mitchell 20:47

I think It's too commonplace . It takes it takes that the impact away from it , so it almost softens it too much and you don't get that full feeling out of it that it was intended . I've already mentioned that my preferred choice is joyful , but that's basically just a better definition of what happy is in the instance of Macarios and the way that we talk in today's culture . But or you can just stick with blessed . You could use any one of those or none of them . You have something completely different . The whole idea behind it is just to help you kind of get a better grasp or understanding of what is meant by this blessed R , which comes from Macarios . So it just that's . In my opinion , one of the cool parts in the hard parts about our translations is there's a group of Bible scholars that are get together and kind of hash it out like , hey , this is the original Greek or Hebrew or whatever it is .

Mitchell 22:11

This is what we think it means , and a little bit of tradition comes in with that . That's how they come up with these translations , but , like we've pointed out a few times already on this podcast , greek words have multiple definitions . They do , and just because that's the one they chose doesn't mean that's the only option .

Mitchell 22:35

Exactly So . That's why we have so many different translations is because these people don't agree with what these people said this meant , and you got different translations , and that's the problem with all of it , and that's what makes her head spin . Yeah , and that's why like looking up some of these Greek words and doing in depth study on these Greek words , because it helps us understand the full vibe of what's going on in the .

Mitchell 23:01

Bible . So one more thing we need to mention before we actually get into the Beatitudes is the fact that these Beatitudes weren't just made up on the spot by Jesus . This isn't a new revelation that he came up with . All of these Beatitudes have their foundation in Old Testament . Most of them are tied to the Psalms , but there are other books from the Old Testament that they're tied to as well . I know Isaiah is another one that we will be talking about here in like four weeks , whenever we get to verse four .

Michele 23:52

We'll make that six .

Mitchell 23:53

Well , I think we could be there in four weeks .

Michele 23:57

Oh , we'll see .

Mitchell 23:58

We're starting three here soon-ish . Like how much time I got Like three minutes , like maybe next week , okay , maybe six weeks , we'll see .

Michele 24:18

Well , what do we get there ?

Mitchell 24:21

But yeah , once we get to verse four , we are going to be covering a section of Isaiah , but I don't plan on doing this for all of the Beatitudes , because that's a lot and already have a lot of information , without doing the Old Testament references to them . But I'm actually going to be pairing up one or two And that's something else we will see as we get into these . Is they all kind of speak with each other and they all go hand in hand with each other , so they're all working together And , like I said , these are kind of like the Christian core values , so that makes sense . They work together , that hey , this one and like they all help in making us better people , better Christians , excuse me , Are you okay ?

Mitchell 25:16

Not really . I think my throat is starting to swell shut and needs ice cream to soothe it down .

Michele 25:23

I was wondering where this was going . I'm like what is going on ?

Mitchell 25:26

Actually I've been battling like strep for like the last two weeks .

Michele 25:31

Seriously , every week I got something going on . Let me cough on you . I got let me share my iPad with you .

Mitchell 25:39

I'm helping you . That's your immune system .

Michele 25:42

No , it's okay , We've been battling stuff at house , not me .

Mitchell 25:45

Maybe it's your fault .

Michele 25:46

Nope , you've not been around . Daniel . Daniel's been sick , not me . Okay , that's a really nice cup . You got there . It's been a while .

Mitchell 25:55

Thank you , it was a gift .

Michele 25:56

Mm-hmm From me , anyways .

Mitchell 26:02

So , yeah , i don't know if I'm going to be doing all the Old Testament references , but it is important to realize that these are not new revelations with Jesus , that these come from Old Testament and they're just organized and put together in a more streamlined way , like we said , that are easy to understand and easy to memorize , mm-hmm , and so it's something that's very important to understand .

Michele 26:32

The thing is that I look at these and I'm never This takes . This is true story .

Mitchell 26:40

Okay .

Nostalgic Church Song Memories

Michele 26:42

I remember singing a song in church . These were the line , these are the lyrics to the song , and no idea came from the Bible , no idea .

Mitchell 26:52

Hmm .

Michele 26:54

I could sing this song right now . I won't , but these are the lyrics .

Mitchell 26:59

I don't know what song you're talking about .

Michele 27:01

Right , i use this Because , again I apologize , but the most I got out of church growing up was the music . So this is a song It does . It makes my heart happy because I got to sing with Grandma when we went to church and Grandma was sitting next to me . She didn't sing as well as you , but she sang Well not everybody's perfect . No , I was gonna say not everybody has such a joyful voice like you .

Mitchell 27:41

There's that too .

Michele 27:42

Love my grandma , love our grandma .

Mitchell 27:45

So I take it we're done .

Michele 27:47

Yeah .

Mitchell 27:48

So whenever we come back next week we will be getting into the Beatitudes . There's nothing else straight into the Beatitudes next week . So verse three that'll take two weeks . I'll try to rush next time everybody .