Comedy and Candor in the Spiritual Walk

Speaker 1: 0:06

Hello and welcome to another episode of the Pure Faith Podcast, a podcast where we discuss all things Bible. I am Michelle and this is my brother, mitchell, and we are here to bring you that podcast. Anyhow, we ask that you like this video, subscribe to our YouTube channel and hit the notification icon to be notified when new episodes are released.

Speaker 2: 0:26

I'm tired.

Speaker 1: 0:27

You look tired.

Speaker 2: 0:29

I feel tired.

Speaker 1: 0:31

That means, you're getting old.

Speaker 2: 0:32

I am getting old Not as old as you, but I'm getting old.

Speaker 1: 0:37

Let's just say my youngest is moving out of the Versailles School District, out of the Versailles Schools. Your first one is entering.

Speaker 2: 0:47

This is true. That may be why I feel so tired.

Speaker 1: 0:51

Yeah, it could be. Your first one is going into kindergarten.

Speaker 2: 0:59

Our youngest is still in diapers.

Speaker 1: 1:01

Yes, he is, yes, he is, so that's why you're tired. Yeah, it's okay. We do hope that you all had a beautiful resurrection sunday. Um, yeah, we, we were recording this prior to that. So, yeah, yes, yes, but it's coming up for us and by the time you see this, it will already be passed. So we do hope that you were able to remember and be joyful for our Savior.

Speaker 2: 1:39

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:40

So I know that it was. Actually. It was an emotional week. I felt like this week just to sit back and humbly think about all of it. You know each day different things that probably happened. And I really wanted to watch Passion of the Christ. I've not seen it, oh really I've not seen it. I did look for it to see if it was on any of the streaming stations that I have, and it was not, and I just thought to myself maybe it's better off that it wasn't.

Speaker 2: 2:10

Maybe this year was not the year to do it. I think Pastor Kelly has it on DVD, does he?

Speaker 1: 2:14

I don't have a DVD player.

Speaker 2: 2:15

No, but I can make it a digital copy for you, oh.

Speaker 1: 2:21

Well, I just I don't do that for myself. I know, I know it'd be very emotional to watch it.

Speaker 2: 2:26

I've seen it, but it's been a long time.

Speaker 1: 2:29

See, and I have not. And I I actually reached out to you because the Chosen I thought the final or the next season had come out and I wanted to watch that during this Lent season. I wanted to watch the, the season four of the Chosen. I think it's season four or season five? I think four. I think it's season four or season five. Uh, I think four. Yeah, it's four. Um, but I wanted to watch that and I that's when you told me I think they're making it right now.

Speaker 2: 2:52

I don't think it's released yet yeah, um, they were doing some sort of theatrical release, okay, and I think they released the first two or three episodes like in theaters, okay. I don't know if they've been. I don't. It's been a while since I checked.

Speaker 1: 3:06

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 3:08

Last time I checked, it hasn't been released to the public yet.

Speaker 1: 3:10

Yeah, so you know, that's something that you know. I even told the kids. You know, something that you can do during Lent or, you know, during a time of you know is meaningful in that type of way. So yeah, so I was going to do that. I haven't done it yet. I guess if you make a digital copy, then I'll be able to maybe.

Speaker 2: 3:36

Finally, you won't have an excuse.

Speaker 1: 3:38

Right, I won't have an excuse and I will get to watch it and I'll probably have to take a couple days afterwards, so the way I can actually see out my eyes, because I'll probably cry the entire time. So, um, you know all different kinds of emotions, I'm sure yeah so anyhow all right. So um anything else going on not really not really.

Speaker 2: 4:03

Z Ketter's kindergarten screening.

Speaker 1: 4:04

I know right class of 2037 he passed the screening with flying colors yeah, there's a couple things he needs to work on yet, but overall, he he did very good I didn't know if he would go in there being bashful or confident um, I don't know, I wasn't there I know you weren't there. But, Did you get feedback from it?

Speaker 2: 4:27

I mean some.

Speaker 1: 4:28

I mean he played with the girls just fine in the middle of the floor.

Speaker 2: 4:30

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 4:31

You know, and they did their Legos or whatever.

Speaker 2: 4:34

I think Paige had four different people send her that picture this morning.

Speaker 1: 4:38

It must have been on the website I didn't or their Facebook page. Facebook page. Okay, I haven't been on Facebook so I didn't see it, but Matt sent it to the family this morning.

Speaker 2: 4:47

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 4:47

So but yeah, super, super cute pictures yeah.

Speaker 2: 4:54

Yeah, I learned that.

Speaker 1: 4:55

Not much going on.

Speaker 2: 4:56

No.

Speaker 1: 4:58

All right. Well, our lives are boring.

Speaker 2: 5:00

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1: 5:01

So which is okay, which is okay?

Speaker 2: 5:04

Yes, boring is okay. Which is okay?

Speaker 1: 5:05

Yes, boring is okay, yeah, so Libby and Owen are home for the weekend, so we got to see them. That's about the most excitement that we've had, so you'll get to see her too, no worries.

Speaker 2: 5:19

Do I have to?

Speaker 1: 5:21

I mean, you don't have to.

Speaker 2: 5:22

Okay.

Speaker 1: 5:24

She is excited about coming to church on sunday. So, anyhow, yeah, all right, what you got for us this week so we are continuing in hebrews.

Speaker 2: 5:38

Surprise, surprise, surprise hebrews um, we are in hebrews let me guess. Oh no, I can't guess 11, 10 11, 11 that was close so yes, hebrews 11, 11, 11, 11 and 12 okay so we'll start there. All right, by faith, sarah herself received power to conceive even when she was past the age, since she considered him faithful who had promised.

Speaker 1: 6:10

Wait, you have to read that over. It really didn't by faith.

Speaker 2: 6:14

Sarah herself received power to conceive even when she was past the age, since she considered him faithful. Who had promised, Therefore, from one man and him as good as dead? I just don't like that passage.

Speaker 1: 6:37

It doesn't flow real well, no, it doesn't. All right, sum this up for me.

Speaker 2: 6:43

So, starting back over in verse 11, by faith, sarah herself received power to conceive.

Speaker 1: 6:51

Right, because she was over the age and she was barren.

Speaker 2: 6:55

Even when she was past the age. So kind of a summary of Sarah and Abraham and abraham as far as, um, their ability to have kids. So, sarah, their entire life, abraham and sarah were unable to have kids, right, um, sarah was barren, she just wasn't able to conceive. Well, it got to the point where Sarah's 90 years old, yeah, abraham's 100 years old, yeah, and God comes and promises that they're going to have a son.

Speaker 1: 7:35

Yeah, and they pretty much laugh it off.

Speaker 2: 7:37

And they do laugh, they do kind of goff at the whole idea. They kind of goff at the whole Idea. Um, but notice when it says Even when she was past the age, well, well, so this is again. We've been taking a lot of these characters that we're seeing in Hebrews 11, and we're going back to the original text to kind of get a better understanding of what is being said. And, for the sake of Abraham and Sarah, we are going back to Genesis 18, 11 through 15, 11 through 14. And this reads Now Abraham and Sarah were old, advanced in years.

Speaker 2: 8:32

The way of women had ceased to be with Sarah. So Sarah laughed to herself, saying After I am worn out and my lord is old, shall I have pleasure? The Lord said to Abraham. Why did Sarah laugh and say Shall I indeed bear a child now that I am old? Is anything too hard for the Lord At the appointed? I will return to you about this time next year and Sarah shall have a son. So something I want to really point out here is one yes, again, it's saying Abraham and Sarah were both advanced in years. I mean, we're talking 90 years old for Sarah, 100 for Abraham. But the next line the way of women had ceased to be with Sarah. So that's basically just saying that Sarah has gone through menopause. So not only was she barren, you know, all those years Her body was most likely still producing eggs. She was still, you know, going through through a scenario where she could possibly conceive a child.

Speaker 1: 9:51

Right.

Speaker 2: 9:52

But now the way women had ceased to be with her. So now she is past that point. Her body is just, naturally, just. It's done. There's no longer any natural way for her to conceive and have a child. Not only that, she's 90 years old. Who would want to?

Speaker 1: 10:11

Right, right, right. I mean, come on now, hallelujah.

Speaker 2: 10:16

I thought it was bad enough.

Speaker 1: 10:18

When was.

Speaker 2: 10:18

Efren born. He's only two years old, so when I was bad enough. When was Ephraim born? He's only two years old, so when I was 38 years old. That was bad enough. I had a couple, another 60 years.

Speaker 1: 10:30

Yeah, no, no thanks.

Speaker 2: 10:33

No.

Speaker 1: 10:34

No thanks.

Speaker 2: 10:34

Class of 2037,. No, so the whole concept of this, this whole the fact that Sarah, you know, she just physically, her body, was unable to produce a child anymore, Right. That just points to the fact that the birth of Isaac was supernatural. It wasn't just oh hey, we finally got pregnant after so many years. No, this was God intervention in a divine pregnancy. Yes, because not only did she get pregnant at 90 years old, she went full term, she delivered the child. Like that's amazing. Yeah, all of a sudden, yeah, um, and then it's after.

Speaker 1: 11:34

I am worn out again we don't need to say anything more about that, yeah.

Speaker 2: 11:41

And my Lord is old and this my Lord, this is referring to Abraham. Yes, this isn't God, so it's just talking about Abraham is old. Yes, shall, I have pleasure, and that pleasure is the pleasure of having a child, the Lord. So this is Lord. God said abraham. Why did sarah laugh and say shall I indeed bury child now that I am old? So here's the thing sarah did laugh.

Speaker 1: 12:08

she scoffed at the idea she's yes, yeah, come on right just like everything that we just mentioned.

Speaker 2: 12:13

She's right, right, 90 years old, has gone through menopause. She, she realizes that in the natural world, yeah, this is not happening. That's not happening.

Speaker 1: 12:24

This is not happening, so you do laugh at it. You're like Right.

Speaker 2: 12:29

But we have to remember she did get pregnant, she did. She did have a child, child. So that's telling us that she did have faith that it was going to happen. I mean, yes, initially, when you're told a such thing. I mean let's go back to look at noah, when noah was initially told, hey, build a giant boat right the house, two kinds of every animal.

Speaker 1: 12:56

Right.

Speaker 2: 12:58

I'm pretty sure Noah was like, yeah, right.

Speaker 1: 13:02

Where's that going to happen? Good one.

Speaker 2: 13:05

But Noah went and built the ark. Sarah conceived, she bore a child. Her faith was strong enough, she trusted enough in God that you know. God promised hey, this time next year you're going to have a son. I mean, yeah, initially you're going to be like yeah, whatever. But you start thinking about it and you start realizing.

Speaker 1: 13:32

And for something like this also. It's something that she probably has desired for the 90, well, not 90 years, but you know, let's say 70 years that you know you can have a child, like she probably. She probably wanted it, she was a desire of hers to be a mother. So when the Lord God tells her you know that you will bear a child. Yeah, you can laugh it off, but you could be so hopeful in that, because that's all you ever probably wanted.

Speaker 2: 13:59

And we also have to keep in mind. I mean, yes, that is true, but the initial promise for a child came long before this. There was an initial promise that, hey, you're going to have a child. That was before the whole Hagar and Ishmael. And all that because that was all side effect, because Sarah's like hey, god promised us a child, a son. I'm still not conceiving. Maybe you should take my maidservant, marry her, have a child with her.

Speaker 2: 14:36

That could be the promise, because that's that's something that I plan on talking about as we wrap up. This whole Hebrew segment is how most of the people mentioned here. Yes, they had strong faith. They did exactly what God asked them to do, even though they may not have seen it go to fruition. They lived their entire lives working towards the goal of the promise that God made, but they were still flawed.

Speaker 1: 15:08

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 15:09

They still made mistakes, yeah, they still sinned against God. They were humans, they were imperfect, right, right, and you know the same can be said for Abraham and Sarah. They were not perfect. They had a rocky past, they did things they shouldn't have done, they pushed limits, they were impatient, they tried to take matters into their own hands, and so they're not perfect. But if we look at how everything turned out, the fact that sarah did have the son, they did give birth to isaac, and that isaac did go, then go on, and you know, now we're far enough. Isaac did go, then go on, and you know, now we're far enough away that we can see all the generations and we can see that the promises that God made to Abraham and to Sarah have come to pass. They were fulfilled. They were not fulfilled in the lifetime of Sarah and Abraham. It was long after they passed that you could finally say, yes, what God promised has come true, but it still happened. And that's what faith is about. It's about walking those steps, walking that path.

Speaker 1: 16:31

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 16:32

Knowing that there is in the far off distance, you know, a finish line.

Speaker 1: 16:36

Right.

Speaker 2: 16:38

But you also know that you're never going to actually reach that finish line.

Speaker 1: 16:42

Right.

Speaker 2: 16:43

It's going to be up to your grandchildren, your grandchildren, your grandchildren's grandchildren.

Speaker 1: 16:51

Right.

Speaker 2: 16:52

Generations after generations. They're going to be the ones who actually see that finish line and see those promises come true. So that's what this is about and let me get back to where I was. So, going back to Hebrews 11, it says that you know, by faith, sarah herself received power to conceive even when she was past the age, since she considered him faithful who had promised. So she considered God faithful. So let's kind of take a look at the end of that a little bit what that actually means.

Speaker 1: 17:38

Okay.

Speaker 2: 17:40

So we have spent a lot of time talking about righteousness.

Speaker 1: 17:42

Right, yes.

Speaker 2: 17:44

And how. What righteousness is in our eyes is doing what is right in the eyes of God, right, so living our lives in the way that God would deem right. Well, we also took a look at the fact that God's righteousness well, we can't say God's righteousness is the same as our righteousness, because how can God live by doing what is right in his own eyes? Right, right so? That doesn't work. No, so God's righteousness is viewed towards us, so doing what is right according to us, which would be fulfilling the promises that he made. And the promises that we have from God are the promises that we find in the Bible, like we talked about Jeremiah 29, 11.

Speaker 1: 18:38

Yes.

Speaker 2: 18:39

That God has plans for us, to prosper us and not to forsake us. You know those types of promises. Well, we have those promises, and so God's righteousness is doing whatever has to be done in order for us to have those promises, to be given those promises. So now let's look at faithfulness. Well, faith for us is believing, without seeing. So trusting that God is who the Bible says, he is Right, right and that things are going to happen according to the way God says they're going to happen.

Speaker 1: 19:18

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: 19:20

So then, what is God's faithfulness?

Speaker 1: 19:23

Right.

Speaker 2: 19:25

So, again, it's got to be turned towards us, looking from his point of view to us, from his point of view to us, so for God to be faithful to us, that is, giving us the promises even though on the surface it looks like we don't deserve them.

Speaker 1: 19:42

Gotcha.

Speaker 2: 19:46

So, taking a look again at Sarah and Abraham, god made that final promise that hey, in a year you're going to have a son. What do they do? They laugh, they scoff. They're like, hey, in a year you're going to have a son. What do they do? They laugh, they scoff. They're like, yeah right, that's not going to happen.

Speaker 2: 20:01

Well, god looks past that. I mean, god could look at that and like, oh, okay, so you don't think that's going to happen? Fine, then it won't happen, right. But no, God's faithful God looks past our indiscretions. He looks past our walls, our barriers that we put up. He knows who we truly are. He sees our hearts and he will look past anything that we may try to put in the way between us and him to see who we truly are. And when he promises something, he's still going to deliver that. Even if we are dragging our feet, even if we are kicking and screaming, no matter what, he is still going to deliver that promise. And that is God's faithfulness to us. And that is what Sarah is talking about here. Sarah considered God faithful. So, even though Sarah is laughing about the whole idea that, yeah, I'm, I'm 90 years old Right.

Speaker 2: 21:09

I physically cannot have a child.

Speaker 1: 21:13

But okay.

Speaker 2: 21:14

But whatever. But whatever, all right, god still fulfilled the promise and she still gave birth to Isaac. So that was the interesting part there. And then continuing on in verse 12, therefore, from one man, and this one man is referring to Abraham and him as good as dead. Again, they're really pounding on this idea that Abraham was old. He was old. It was 100 years when Isaac was born. Were born descendants as many as the stars of heaven and as many as the innumerable grains of sand by the seashore.

Speaker 1: 21:55

And that's where you come up with all the descendants, years after as many as the stars and as many as the grains of sand.

Speaker 2: 22:04

And like Genesis 15, 5 says this is referring to. Actually, I talked about this a little bit in this one sermon I did not too long ago. Here it is Whatever Sorry about this a little bit in this one sermon I did not too long ago here. Just pass Whatever Sorry, but whenever. Yeah, I don't remember which one it was, but whenever. Let me get in the right spot here. So this is whenever Abraham was initially given that promise that hey, you're going to have descendants. Because this is when Abraham was complaining Like oh.

Speaker 2: 22:44

I don't have any children. A servant is going to get all my stuff, and that's where we're talking about. The angel of god came to abraham we did talk and we're like, well, the angel of god, but was it the angel of god or was it god? It was an interesting sermon.

Speaker 2: 23:06

You should go watch it yeah but at the end of that it said and he brought him outside and said and he, this was that angel of God, it was also referred to as God, so that he physically took Abraham outside and said look toward heaven and number the stars. If you are able to number them. Then he said to him so shall your offspring be. Then he said to him so shall your offspring be. So that was the initial promise that, abraham, you're going to have descendants more innumerable than the stars. Yeah, and again, abraham wasn't perfect, sarah wasn't perfect, but it's about having that faith to to do what is right, to do what you are called to do, even though it may seem impossible and be patient, I really think.

Speaker 1: 24:12

And to be patient, and you know the waiting for all of it. We talk about that a lot. You know the Lord has a plan for each one of us and it can be hard to stay faithful in all of it. But with your patience and being humble and you know praying that you know you will see his work. You will see what he has for you to do for him on this earth before entering his kingdom. You will see it with clear eyes.

Speaker 2: 24:43

Yeah, that is one of the big things I learned from the whole Abraham and Sarah story is yeah, it's about patience, because that was, for me, that was the biggest lesson I get from them, at least in the early part, because of the fact that they were impatient whenever god made that initial promise. Your descendants are going to be as number, as new, innumerable as the stars in the sky, but you have to wait for the promise to be fulfilled. You can't take it into your own hands, you can't push it yet.

Speaker 1: 25:19

You can't push the time on his promises. His promises will happen when they're supposed to happen, and that's a big thing. To let go of that control of everything and to just wholeheartedly be like this is not my plan, this is yours. I'm just here to walk it and follow your direction.

Speaker 2: 25:41

Yeah, I mean, that's what faith is, yeah exactly. Yeah. So it's putting your trust and confidence in God, yes, and letting him be in control.

Speaker 1: 25:53

Yeah, but boy, how hard it can be. We know how hard it can be. We know how hard it can be. We know and we've all been through certain situations and I thought you were going to talk about your you know how you and Paige, when you first were trying to conceive Zeke, the patience that you had to have, like you know, for a lot of people stay faithful in the plan, knowing that you know you were leaving, knowing that you were going to be getting deployed at some point. You know there's so many, so many things coming at you and you probably can feel overwhelmed Lots of people can feel overwhelmed, but just to just to take a step back and be like, no, that was not going to work his way in this. I will continue to, to, to look at the, the good and all of it and be patient in his ways. So Agreed.

Speaker 1: 26:41

Yeah, yeah so.

Speaker 2: 26:43

I guess that's probably what we'll stop.

Speaker 1: 26:45

We probably need to stop.

Speaker 2: 26:47

Yeah, cause there's no point in starting the next section, nope? Um, even though we're not technically done with Abraham, we are done with Sarah for now yay we'll come back into this one. We'll keep plugging away at Hebrews that's all we can do.

Speaker 1: 27:07

But you know what? It's better to take line by line and to understand it than just to read through all of it. Like I said, when you first read that, I'm like I have no idea. I have no idea, I have no idea, yeah, and those passages, to just take them and just to pull them all apart. It just makes more sense.

Speaker 2: 27:24

And I'm not doing that as much right now because otherwise we'd never get through Hebrew Right. So that's kind of why we're doing this. No notes, just general overview conversation on each.

Speaker 1: 27:36

Yeah, and I like it like this, I really do.

Speaker 2: 27:40

Hopefully it's going to speed the whole process up.

Speaker 1: 27:42

Yeah, yeah Right, it might save us two years. All right, we thank you for joining us. Please leave a comment on this video or go to our contact page on purefaithlivingcom to send us a message. And, as always, if you like what you hear, then we ask that you share the show with others so we can all work together in spreading the good news of Jesus Christ. Don't forget to subscribe and we will see you again next time.

Speaker 2: 28:06

Have a blessed day everybody.